I think Square Foot Gardening is French intensive goes modern, but at the same time there are elements of Square Foot Gardening that I think many would do well to experiment with to see what works best. Also using plastic window screen over the holes helps keep them clear of obstructions. Tomatoes and summer squash did quite well and were the best performers. Mulching, no weeding, no soil cultivation. Ten years ago I read âAll New Square Foot Gardeningâ, by Mel Bartholomew and started my first garden. Here is a link that might be useful: SFG Comparison, Here is raised bed and 5 gallon bucket garden. The only source of nutrition for plants in Mel's mix 1/3rd compost. When redoing my lawn I used spent mushroom substrate (mushroom soil) on the recommendation of Mike Mcgrath from You Bet Your Garden with resounding success (45,000 lbs for 7,000 sq feet of lawn). OnionRadishCarrotCucumberTomatoGarlicWatermelonCantaloupeLeaf LettuceBush BeansPole BeansHot Peppers, Here is my opinions on SFG:Gimmick--NoInitial high cost--YesHigh maintenance--NoEnjoyable--YesTime consuming--NoRelaxing--YesNeat--Yes. Regarding my soil, eswar here are my last soil test results. Although it’s not too hard to plan a garden planted in traditional rows, square foot gardening is just as easy. Small plants are planted approximately 3 inches apart (16 per square). You can build raised beds and place them in the sunniest areas in your yard, or build planter boxes that can be placed on your back porch or balcony. Gardening Expert Tonya Ashworth talks about the basics of square foot gardening. I moved the fridge away from the doorway to the far side of the sink. A quality, well aerated mix with 33%+ quality compost is a different animal altogether. Regarding the common 6" SFG bed depth, tomato growers who grow in deeper 5 gallon buckets often have better results, with those growing in 15 to 20 gallon containers having even better results. ", Anyway, I use the SFG principles as a guideline and just add in other concepts like "lasagna-layering. I was intending on putting a layer of river stone on the bottom with the soil on top, but will I need to cut drainage holes in the base of the sides of the box (to be made with composite wood boards, so rot isn't an issue) I was also considering using drip irrigation for watering. eswar, feel free to private message me at the following address, should your foliar feed not be a 'public' recipe.private message, If I could find a way to fit 'pi','e', or the golden ratio into my garden, I would! (4) Tomato PlantsDivide the 4x4 into quarters and plant one caged indeterminate tomato plant in each of the 4 quarters. Anotherstep that would make this feel larger, would be to go with taller ceilings on the first floor, and add a row of higher windows that afford privacy but bring natural light in. And for the same reason, if we are not planting legumes and practicing the kind of rotation he recommends, we may not be getting the results? If this is a house for one person, you could do the only bathroom upstairs, one large bedroom and a smaller study there. Are you using synthetic or organic fertilizers? There's no way you could keep up with a true SFG if you're a single row gardener. With the square-foot gardening method, you plant in 4x4-foot blocks instead of traditional rows. The entry door would come straight into your great room. It would seem the concepts of SFG are more easily understood than the concepts of biointensive sustainable gardening. If that much is being produced, it has to pull enough to support that growth. It would seem that the two systems could be somehow blended. but remember that around 4' wide needs to be used for stair and that is likely to take up to 8' long. Now imagine you had a grid that separated the square inches. Can anyone point me to online articles that show big hearty vegetable plants in a SFG garden, heavily laden bushy tomato plants, thickly vined cucumbers on a trellis, or huge greenbean plants with numerous greenbeans dangling under the canopy of leaves? On the other hand, All New Square Foot Gardening, Second Edition: The Revolutionary Way to Grow More In Less Space features Mel's preferred soil recipe, which some have hailed as making all the difference in the world for their growing success. In conducting a trial, I would like to be successful. You might say, "What about when the radishes get larger?" Learn from our mistakes before you tackle your garden! I notice that eswar uses organic fertilizer versus the typical miracle grow 15-30-15. The growth looks healthy and vigorous. I learnt this first from a Japanese lady 75 year young, who actively gardens. I live in Kentucky. I even plan to adapt my greenhouse planting this fall to make better use of space with square foot planting. As for availability of compost, I find that while flash garden centers surprisingly don't always have a good range, they are out there if I look, sometimes in odd places (my local source is a tropical fish shop which sells about 3 potted plants and a huge range of composted manures!!). I am getting slowly out of containers to square foot gardening and self watering troughs.Experimenting is fun part of gardening. This efficient edible-gardening technique can help people who are short on space, See how a smart layout, smaller refrigerator and recessed storage maximize this tight space, Teaching herself how to remodel, Allison Macdonald adds function, smarter storage and snazzier materials, A staircase connects levels that share views and light. I don't think that method would be recommended in the book for two reasons: - trellises are recommended because they can be laid out in a line on the north side to maximize sun inside the square- harder to harvest toms on the inside point between all of the cages. What variety are those tomatoes beeziboy? That same 3x3 space, with 9 single stem plants, yield would be 58.5 lbs (9 x 6.5 per plant). Here are 5 tips for a successful square foot garden. Last summer, before getting the winter greenhouse ready, we finished landscaping the yard into my new summer happy-place. Regarding the changing fertilizer needs of vegetables in their different growth stages, eswar can you give me some details of this? In addition it also gives you a fair estimation of the number of plants you can hope to harvest (bugs, weather and luck aside), so you get that bit of a bonus when deciding how much space you want to dedicate to lettuce versus brussel sprouts or beets. We're leaning toward straw erosion mats to this end and for water retention. Upstairs, in 23 x 18, how many bedrooms do you need? The SFG book recommends adding a good dollop of compost every time a plant is removed, but perhaps we don't do that when we're not really thinking about autumn planting? I find that even increasing the space between one plant and another marginally(1.5 times) and increasing the depth more than 6 inches works well.It addresses increasing the yields per plant, by better aeration, water retention., And suggestions for vertical growth. Well, this method didn't claim it was for The Archer Daniels Midlands Group. Things made sense! But in square foot, you only plant seeds in the spot you expect to keep a plant growing, unlike planting a full row. He does not say that his ideas on gardening are the only ideas. This one foot outside / planted in something vertical / columnar or with a metal laser cut privacy screen can make the entire house feel larger due to the light and green just outside . Do you find any particular vegetable plants flourish more than others in your setup. Would using mushroom soil instead of the soil typically used in mixes work well? While allowing more room for plants to grow is allegedly recommended, he also is a strong supporter of chemical fertilizers, chromate arsenic treated lumber, and frequent insecticidal spraying. Last year I had tomato plants in both dirt and mix beds. Fermentation is a traditional farming practice with Asian cultures. It speaks for itself... A gimmick? It's very cool how much you can grow. It just results in the depth of the container shrinking dramatically over the season and often results in a growing medium that retains too much water for some plants. While I have not applied the 100% SFG technique, I am learning much about SFG in this post. Cheers for the information. For example â a raised bed that is 4 feet by 4 feet would have 16 square feet. Members. The ones in the mix were in a 2x8 bed and I had 8 plants in there. It’s not that the plants were grown closer together, it’s just that they were spaced more efficiently without all the dead-space between rows that do nothing but grow weeds. Square foot gardening is the practice of dividing a growing area into smaller square sections. Quick things like radishes can easily leave a space for lettuce once harvested, or plant longer-season crops between the radishes so they can take over when the first items are finished. SFG (Square Foot Gardening) incorporates raised beds or boxes. What was interesting was that this article explained what happened to me. It's a simple way to create easy-to-manage gardens with raised beds that need a minimum of time spent maintaining them. The square yard garden is divided into a size and shape that gardeners of all ages, sizes and levels of experience can â¦ I noticed from the picture that a timer is used to control drip irrigation to the plants. Any wider and it gets more confusing trying to fish out all the greenbeans, plus I like to straddle the rows when picking. I do use foliar feeds at the recommended temperature at half strength. The thing that I like best about the book in general is that Mel is not preachy. You mentioned using "molasses, compost, High calcium lime, soft rock phosphate, fish emulsion, calcium nitrate, sea weed and few foliar fertilizers" I like all those products. Which leads to the next benefit: If you can imagine one square foot holds four lettuce plants – that will mean four little spots with 2-3 seedlings. Square foot gardening seems to work everywhere, even on your backyard or patio. I like a soil that is like chocolate cake in consistency with organic matter, worms, and a balanced soil sample ratio. Doesn't that demonstrate the benefits of SFQ? I firmly believe that everyone has different goals in mind for gardening and there is beauty in self-expression through gardening techniques. However, the additional Nitrogen in my fertilizer fueled the microbe community into consuming practically all of my organic material. The needs of fertilizers (quantity and type) of vegetables are different in the first month, second month and third month. Am I missing something? If Mel"s mix is expensive one can use AlÂs container mix, but still you need vermiculite, but slightly lesser quantity. I do think one can 'do better' with some aspects of French Intensive than they can with Sq Ft. *if* they wish to do more work. Did you wind up doing any sq ft beds this year? I did try a loose straw mulch and found that the straw cut down on weeds, but did not totally eliminate weeding. Itâs also much easier to protect from animals like rabbits and squirrels, as making a cage or fence for the square-foot bed is a much easier task. While band planting is a good technique, I do not recommend it for all vegetables. Short little rows limited by the bed sizes, lots of thinning wasted seedlings, and so much dead space between that I had to weed but got nothing from. It is better than 6 inches which Mel recommends. Square Foot Gardening. Quick! When it doesn't work, people say "hey, that square foot gardening stuff doesn't work." I planted garlic in the mix this past fall in between rain showers which I couldn't do in the mud of the other beds. Square Foot Gardening. The densely planted crops can create a â¦ The rest of the beds are filled with Mel's mix. Yet from efforts to combine square foot gardening with permaculture, through no-dig gardening and no-till farming, to perennial fodder crops, community nut â¦ It turned out to be a load bearing wall so I was limited to about 6". I think that SFG is not as effective as some would wish. In particular vining plants did not do as well. Thanks for your help! Here is a link that might be useful: Intensive Planting - See Page 3 for Space Saving Techniques. This would have pictures showing the trellis, cage, or other hardware used to get more versatility from SFG gardens. suggestions on what to put under my bed if building over previous garden? I might even consider a shade cloth for the end of season hot days. I am curious how much punch this will give my plants. I have gardened for a number of years and seen raised beds, intercropping, block planting, and other techniques. I do put about 2 inches of sand in the bottom as a filler for the 2x8 beds. My questions are: 1) how deep should my bed be (typically grow peppers, cud’s, zucchini, beans and tomatoes) - easiest build is 10.5 inches but heard I should go with 12”? eswar, that is one jam packed website. Awesome, do it. Nitrogen and phosphate numbers for mushroom soil are extremely high-so high that this spring was the first time I added fertilizer to my lawn since spreading the mushroom soil three years ago! A large release followed by smaller levels of available fertilizer is seemingly what happens. Found this interesting link that shows how someone put raised beds terraced into the side of a hill, along with 5 gallon buckets for trellised tomatoes and snap peas. Some may not use the recommended 1/3rd vermiculite. Production? It gave a chance for people with bad soil, limited time, small yards to garden.Like every thing MelÂs methods can be improvised.6 inches of height is good for some vegetables only. (leaving 22.5 by 17.5 when you figure a traffic pattern) and use the understair area for kitchen storage elements. They are cheaper; there is no hype and promotional write upsFoliar feeding receives a publicity that it does not work. Toward the fruiting stage at the end of July and beginning of August, soil temperatures would climb above this range. A person who's strictly followed the SFG philosophy for 20 years will not have as good a garden as one who's incorporated other methods into their personal gardening philosophy. Leafy Vegetables are grown in 5 dollar and 12 dollar 7 inch depth swimming pool planters. You could use juliet balconies on the second level with french doors or sliding doors so that when they are open, the room is the balcony. (4) Tomato PlantsDivide the 4x4 into quarters and plant one caged inderterminate tomato plant in each of the 4 quarters, (16) Cucumber PlantsDivide the 4x4 into the typical 16 one foot squares and plant one cucumber plant in the middle of each square foot and let the vines ramble, (16) Sweet Corn PlantsDivide the 4x4 into the typical 16 one foot squares and plant one sweet corn plant in the middle of each square foot, (9) Muskmelon PlantsDivide the 4x4 into the typical 16 one foot squares and plant one muskmelon plant not in the middle of a square foot, but rather at the nine points of intersection where the grid lines intersect and let the vines ramble, (9) Summer Squash PlantsDivide the 4x4 into the typical 16 one foot squares and plant one squash plant not in the middle of a square foot, but rather at the nine points of intersection where the grid lines intersect. Not only did it work great in the raised beds, it also worked great in planters and I even used it in some tilled-beds outside of town. From the Reams site -"I am writing this on March first and the weather is great.". This in no way discounts SFG. I have a sprinkler system installed for my lawn, so adding a zone or two for a garden will be simple. It’s only logical. Sounds a bit counter-intuitive if you’ve heard about how much more produce you get from square foot gardening, Wouldn’t that normally mean more seeds or at least the same amount? I guess what I am asking is what is it that you find worth recommending from this site? (target 20-40)5.3 Org Matter5.8 Soil pH (target 6.7-6.9)64 Lime Index161 P lbs./ac (target is 70)296 K lbs./ac4304 Ca lbs./ac332 Mg lbs./ac55% Ca Sat'n (target 65-70%)7% Mg Sat'n (target 10-15%)2% K Sat'n (target 2-5%)63% Base Sat'n Ca + Mg + K + Na7.8 Ca/Mg ratio (target 5-8:1 Ca:Mg)3.7 Mg/K ratio (target 3:1 or higher Mg:K)151 SO4 lbs./ac0.9 B lbs./ac2.1 Cu lbs./ac23 Mn lbs./ac16.5 Zn lbs./ac192 Fe lbs./ac, Here is a link that might be useful: Gardens Alive Environmental Growth Products. I usually get most of fertilizers etc from feed stores and agricultural supply stores. Improvements can always be made but if it's not broken don't fix it. If you are combining eco-farming with square foot gardening, then I am most curious about your results. Cheers in advance for any comments, and my apologies if this isn't the appropriate section for this question. It is sold out, but expected to be available in the third week of March.It is a technical book. Some of the links provided at this site gives some general ideahttp://home.woh.rr.com/billkrisjohnson/Garden/GardeningforMaximumNutrition.htm. That's a big if though, and it is up to each person to decide for themselves. Square foot gardening (SFG) is more than just another new method of planning and planting a garden; itâs a whole different psychological approach to gardening. The root will grow down deeper to get to it. I am a vegetarian and I do not eat canned food.Hence I enjoy growing vegetables. If its a gimmick, its one I like. Now with SMALL radishes, you could drop one seed in the middle of each square inch. You can convert the rest back to meters. Created Mar 16, 2010. My biggest problem was the arrangement of which was planted where. You can widen the stair to 5' and do a small powder room under the upper part of the stair if you need a guest restroom on the first level. With the plants unwilling to send roots deep into the less desirable soil under the bed, they were more susceptable to water stress too. I use a mix of SFG, intensive, container gardening and any thing else that fits at the time. People in urban yards, apartments, or those living with acreage can all use this. I thought I'd post an update on my 2'x8' bed (which is about 3" high). Just my experiences, we each find our best way. French Intensive concentrates on creating a living soil web with empty spaces continually replanted and soil fed so it will feed the plants. Personally, band planting works well for me when planting bush greenbeans. Now, at the end of my first square foot gardening season while we move into fall, I must admit I’m totally sold on the method and will continue to use it. Thatâs Square Foot Gardening in a nutshell. The depth of bed should at least 6 to 12 inches deep. Compared the the traditional rows I have always used, the square foot method allowed me to grow more plants in less space. One of the biggest strengths I think the method has, is it is not limited to any one garden or area! Well, the secondary thing about the radish plantings is table use is assumed. It doesn't work only because folks cheat on all kinds of things. and carrots are being grown. Justaguy 2 called space, "small apartment living". They do SFG wonderfully. Originally formulated by Mel Bartholomew in 1981 in both a book and PBS TV series, square foot gardening has been popular ever since, for those with small and large gardens alike. Well now the “garden” is a bunch of weeds... so I do not want to plant there unless I put down some sort of barrier (Im going with a raised bed garden so I can more easily control soil quality). Those gardens will under perform, predictably. Note that I do believe in interplanting, intercropping, succession planting, band planting, short row planting, vertical training, hoop tunnels, raised beds, and more. Join. So using the SFG planting guide or even eswar's 1.5x relaxed plant spacing will likely be what I use for my trial bed. A good way to poor results is to grow intensively in regular soil, low in organic matter. Now imagine you had a grid that separated the square inches. While I currently have Mel's mix and lumber to create a 4 foot by 4 foot by 1 foot deep SFG for summer 2009, I have used a 2.5 foot by 12 foot by 1 foot bed over the past two years. My three feet by 3 feet raised bed kit is from GardenerÂs supply and made in England.It is 9 inches in height. Benefits of Square Foot Gardening For new gardeners, square foot gardening offers a simple vegetable garden layout that makes it easy to calculate exactly how many plants you need. Slow release fertilizers are not a great alternative either, as they seem to be heat activated. See for yourself and make your own opinions. His reinvention of the backyard garden began in 1975 when he retired, moved to a new home, and started devoting his spare time to â¦ Alex, Your email address will not be published. I was excited to plant but knew I did not have enough season left for anything other than a couple quick crops. Do you have bad soil? I really enjoyed reading all the linked references, especially the following:High Brix Plants. I am merely looking for a compelling reason to adopt SFG for my back yard. This is NOT a criticism of anyone who follows SFG techniques. Because I used an organic approach, I became very successful at fostering a living soil that rapidly broke down compost and organic fertilizers. “All New Square Foot Gardening, Second Edition: The Revolutionary Way to Grow More In Less Space” by Mel Bartholomew, Make your own inexpensive DIY portable quick-clean potting table, Overwintering Sweet Potato Vines for Next Season. Never cut a sucker and they were at leats 8 feet tall. Ask your questions! Then you will know if you like it or not. I don't see Mel recommending the feeding and care of the 'potting soil mix' that SFG endorses, which would be needed to make it more 'alive'. I grew up with a hoe in my hand but not any more. Go for it! Sounds like we have some similar issues to overcome - mine are sunlight at 5700 feet, low humidity and much, much dessicating wind. Consider a square foot has 144 square inches. Some firms we talked to threw out ballpark numbers but they were never simply based on square feet - they asked us basic material questions and different scenarios of where to place a similarly sized addition greatly affected the estimate. Instead, they pumped their brew up a tube and then let it run down over board back into the bucket. Each year they spread the amendments, fire up the roto tiller and engage in heavy labor. hype and more "you get what you put in" in-depth study and mindfulness. My yard and gardens where I brought them in balance in early eighties still performs better than many others.Fish powder is cheaper than liquid fish emulsion. The inability to guess what my watering needs would be each morning, likely was one of the biggest culprits. All you need is a drainage hole that is unobstructed. I added several decomposed straw bales one year and a six inch layer of composted manure another year. They also included the numbers about how many lbs. I live within 10 miles of the ocean so the soil is pretty much sand. Working in an open area with intense sunlight and drying winds did not help the already fast draining SFG. They are cheap. Square foot gardening made gardening easier for some and now several companies are selling raised bed kits. . I guess I had forgotten about those items and only remembered the deeper beds part. . It was like a James Bond movie. I will admit that the SFG beds of beeziboy seem to be among the better looking ones that I have seen. Do skylights over the stairwell so you have natural light coming down from above there. It is easy for me to reach.Semi retired 65 years.Smaller home- Smaller yard. Concerning Dr. William Albrecht, Ph.D, I was more interested in his soil sample and analysis recommendations than his philosophies. Also, do you think deeper incorporation will give you more soil volume and thus more soil water? It seems absurd to me given my personal priorities, but to each their own. 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